Olga

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μολις εκλεισα 2 εισιτηριακια. Υ.Γ. δνε βγαζουμε το θεμα στο ανοιχτο να το δουν και τα μη μελη συλλογου?

Είναι δύσκολο να πιστέψει κανείς ότι αυτές οι εικόνες είναι αποτέλεσμα δουλειάς μόνο ενός ανθρώπου! Κι όμως είναι αλήθεια! Ο Βρετανός καλλιτέχνης Simon Beck φόρεσε ειδικά παγοπέδιλα και περπατώντας στο χιόνι για πάνω από δέκα ώρες έφτιαξε εκπληκτικά σχέδια μεγέθους ίσα ακόμη και με έξι γήπεδα ποδοσφαίρου! Το εντυπωσιακό είναι ότι τα σχέδια είναι τόσο καλοφτιαγμένα και γεωμετρικά άριστα δείχνοντας τις ικανότητες και το ταλέντο του συγκεκριμένου ανθρώπου! Δείτε τις εκπληκτικές εικόνες! Πηγή: newsbomb.gr

το ειχαν ανακοινώσει από την αρχη. το γενικο σκεπτικο είναι να μετακινηθεί το κεντρο βαρους των Κελαριων (που αυτή τη στιγμη είναι στα 1950μ) ψηλότερα, στο πλατο >2200μ

ομορφο μερος!

οτι εχει εκφυλιστεί ο μηνίσκος, φαντασου κατι σαν φθαρμένα λάστιχα. απ’οσο γνωριζω (δεν ειμαι ιατρος) οι μηνίσκοι είναι ινοχονδρινα αμορτισέρ ανάμεσα στα δυο κόκαλα (κνήμη και μηρό) και οι λόγοι που εχουν φθαρεί είναι αρκετοι (κραδασμους, κάποιο ατύχημα, γηρατειά κλπ) δεν λεει για ρήξη για να απαιτείται αρθροσκόπηση (καθαρισμός η συρραφή) και σίγουρα εξαρτάται από τον βαθμό φθοράς, θα σου πει ο ορθοπεδικός Ανδρεα μην σε ανησυχεί υπερβολικα, οι περισσότεροι εχουμε πια εκφύλιση στους μηνίσκους. αναγκαστικά θα μαθουμε να αντιμετωπίσουμε χονδροπαθειες, αρθρίτιδες κλπ… ρωτα εάν χρειάζεσαι φυς/πειες. ενδυνάμωση σιγουρα ΝΑΙ

Τετάρτη, 16 Οκτωβρίου 2013 17:21 Τέλος οι δωρεάν φυσικοθεραπείες για τους ασφαλισμένους του ΕΟΠΥΥ από την Δευτέρα Από Βασίλη Βενιζέλο Με αναστολή της επί πιστώσει εκτέλεσης συνεδριών φυσικοθεραπειών για τους ασφαλισμένους του Εθνικού Οργανισμού Παροχής Υπηρεσιών Υγείας (ΕΟΠΥΥ) από την Δευτέρα 21 Οκτωβρίου και με εικοσιτετράωρη πανελλαδική απεργία για την Παρασκευή 18 Οκτωβρίου απαντα ο Πανελλήνιος Σύλλογος Φυσικοθεραπευτών (ΠΣΦ) στις απαιτήσεις του υπουργείου Υγείας και της διοίκησης του ΕΟΠΥΥ για rebate και clawback εις βάρος του κλάδου. Έτσι, οι ασφαλισμένοι του ΕΟΠΥΥ θα υποχρεώνονται από την Δευτέρα 21 Οκτωβρίου να καταβάλουν στους φυσικοθεραπευτές τους ολόκληρο το αντίτιμο για τις συνεδρίες φυσικοθεραπειών και να διεκδικούν, στη συνέχεια, την αποζημίωσή τους από τις οικονομικές υπηρεσίες του Οργανισμού. Συγκεκριμένα σε ανακοίνωση που εξέδωσε ο ΠΦΣ την Τετάρτη 16 Οκτωβρίου αναφέρει τα εξής: «Ο Πανελλήνιος Σύλλογος Φυσικοθεραπευτών, καλεί τους φυσικοθεραπευτές όλης της χώρας σε 24ωρη απεργία την Παρασκευή 18 Οκτωβρίου, με αφορμή τις αποφάσεις και την πολιτική που ακολουθεί το Υπουργείο Υγείας για καίρια θέματα του κλάδου. Οι κινητοποιήσεις θα ξεκινήσουν με προσυγκέντρωση πανελλαδικής συμμετοχής έξω από τα γραφεία του Συλλόγου στη Λ. Αλεξάνδρας στις 11.00 π. μ. και ακολούθως στις 12.00 π. μ., πορεία διαμαρτυρίας η οποία θα καταλήξει στο Υπουργείο Υγείας, στην οδό Αριστοτέλους, ενώ αν δεν αλλάξει η πολιτική του Υπουργείου, από τη Δευτέρα 21 Οκτωβρίου, θα σταματήσουμε και τη "δωρεάν" παροχή θεραπειών στους ασφαλισμένους του ΕΟΠΥΥ. Ο Πανελλήνιος Σύλλογος Φυσικοθεραπευτών και τα μέλη του, διαμαρτυρόμαστε: 1. Για την αδιανόητη όσο και κατάφορη απόφαση της πολιτικής ηγεσίας του υπουργείου και του Εθνικού Οργανισμού Παροχής Υπηρεσιών Υγείας, να μας στερήσει πάνω από τα μισά φετινά δεδουλευμένα μας, αναιρώντας ΓΡΑΠΤΕΣ ΚΑΙ ΠΡΟΦΟΡΙΚΕΣ δεσμεύσεις τους, που τοποθετούσαν τον προϋπολογισμό της φυσικοθεραπείας στα 70εκ. €, αξιώνοντας τώρα το ποσό αυτό να κατεβεί στα 49εκ. Αυτό το λογιστικό «τρικ» των ιθυνόντων του ΕΟΠΥΥ θα οδηγήσει σε κλείσιμο εκατοντάδες εργαστήρια φυσικοθεραπείας, αφού τα δεδουλευμένα τους θα περικοπούν σε ποσοστό άνω του 60%. 2. Για το κόστος της φυσικοθεραπευτικής συνεδρίας, η οποία μετά από περικοπή 38% πέρυσι τον Νοέμβριο, βρίσκεται σήμερα στα 15€. Με τις νέες αποφάσεις του ΕΟΠΥΥ, οι συμβεβλημένοι φυσικοθεραπευτές θα αμειφθούν με 5,6€ την συνεδρία. Στην πράξη, δεν θα πληρωθούν για 6 μήνες του 2013 ! 3. Για τις αντισυνταγματικές και παράλογες ρυθμίσεις του clawback, όπου ζητούν για ατομικές παραβάσεις συλλογική ευθύνη, τιμωρώντας το σύνολο ενός κλάδου εξαιτίας της αδυναμίας του ΕΟΠΥΥ να ελέγξει παραβατικές συμπεριφορές προκλητής ζήτησης ελάχιστων παρόχων. 4. Για τις υποχρεωτικές κλιμακωτές εκπτώσεις του rebate, που μειώνουν υποχρεωτικά την τιμή της συνεδρίας από 5% έως και 20%. Η πολιτική του Υπουργείου Υγείας εξοντώνει τα εργαστήρια φυσικοθεραπείας, «κλείνοντας το μάτι» στις μεγάλες επιχειρήσεις των Κέντρων Αποκατάστασης, ετοιμάζοντας νέους Κανονισμούς Υγείας με στόχο να στέλνουν εκεί τους ασφαλισμένους. Οι φυσικοθεραπευτές Δεν θα το επιτρέψουμε. Η φυσικοθεραπεία δεν είναι πολυτέλεια. Είναι ο ακρογωνιαίος λίθος της επιστήμης της αποκατάστασης. Έχει αποδείξει την αποτελεσματικότητά της στο να μειώνει μακροπρόθεσμα τη φαρμακευτική δαπάνη, να μειώνει τις χαμένες εργατοώρες και να προσφέρει ποιότητα ζωής στους ασφαλισμένους. Για όλους αυτούς τους λόγους: - θα δώσουμε δυναμικό παρών την Παρασκευή 18 Οκτωβρίου στις 12.00 έξω από το Υπουργείο Υγείας - θα ενημερώσουμε την κοινωνία και τους ασφαλισμένους - θα αγωνιστούμε για την αξιοπρέπειά μας αλλά και την επιβίωσή μας Αν δεν αλλάξει η πολιτική του Υπουργείου, από τη Δευτέρα 21 Οκτωβρίου 2013, Τέλος οι "δωρεάν" θεραπείες στους ασφαλισμένους του ΕΟΠΠΥ». Πηγη: ygeia360

αυτά τα εχω και εγω Νικηφόρε στο δεξι γονατο και ο ιατρος μου ειπε ότι δεν χρειαζεται επέμβαση διοτι η ρήξη μηνίσκου είναι Grade I. η μαγνητική σου λεει σε τι βαθμο εχει εκφυλιστεί ο μηνίσκος? κατά πασα πιθανοτητα δεν χρειζεσεαι κάποια επεμβαση ισως μερικες φυσικοθεραπείες και ασκήσεις ενδυναμώσεις των μυών. μην αγχώνεσαι, δες τι θα σου πει ο ιατρος σου και καλου κακου πηγαινε να σε εξετάσει και άλλος ενας κλινικά

αφιερωμενο στη Λιανα (madskier)

downhill ski hiking

snow kayaking by Warren Miller

unicycling, ενα καινουργιο extreme sport

Snowboarding has never been the cheapest of sports. It’s never going to undercut the price of playing football down the park with jumpers for goalposts. But there are cheaper options out there. And if you think about how much you would spend in an average week staying at homesuddenly a week snowboarding abroad doesn’t seem quite so unreasonable. 1. Saint Jean d'Aulps, France “Quiet and uncrowded slopes with a quaint french village, but there's nothing here for any adventurous snowboarder” Pass (Low/High Season): £19 Day, £101 Week 2. Gruesch Danusa, Switzerland “Small and family orientated, and whilst the pistes are pretty good for a quiet burn, if you like your freeriding served up untracked and off the side of pistes, then Grüsch is worth consideration for a day or two” Pass (Low/High Season): £21 Day, £84 Week 3. Kalavrita Ski Center, Hellas Pass (Low/High Season): £15-25 Day, £70 Week 4. Schwaz-Pill, <a href=" http://www.snowaddiction.org/search/?q=austria" target="_blank">Austria Pass (Low/High Season): £25 Day, £118-119 Week 5. Alpspitzbahn, Germany “Small resort but offering night boarding and a Stash style wooden terrain park” Pass (Low/High Season): £25-26 Day, 6. Combloux, France Pass (Low/High Season): £26 Day, £129 Week 7. Adelboden, Switzerland “Good spread out resort but not all connected with lifts. Quite a few flat areas but well suited for intermediate riders.” Pass (Low/High Season): £26 Day, £115 Week 8. Bovec-Kanin, Slovenia Pass (Low/High Season): £26-27 Day, £116-121 Week 9. La Grand Bornand, France 10. Vogel, Slovenia “Great unkown resort for a few days” 11. Innsbruck, Austria “European capital of Snowboarding, but you need to travel to the slopes” 12. Camp Fortune, Canada Pass (Low/High Season): £25-27 Day, £136 Week 13. Les Orres, France Pass (Low/High Season): £28 Day, £140 Week 14. La Toussuire, France Pass (Low/High Season): £28 Day, £141 Week 15. Morgins, Switzerland Pass (Low/High Season): £29 Day, “An atractive, family oriented resort but with little to satisfy hardcore riders” 16. Chur-Brambrüesch, Switzerland Pass (Low/High Season): £26-29 Day, £117-130 Week 17. Piani di Bobbio Valtorta, Italy Pass (Low/High Season): £23-29 Day, 18. Sainte-Foy, France “Fantastic freeriding when there's fresh snow, but it's no longer an unheard of resort” Pass (Low/High Season): £19-26 Day, £107-139 Week 19. Black Mountain, USA Πηγη: world snowboard guide

Every year as the leaves fall off the trees and Thanksgiving approaches, skiers and snowboarders dig into their closets, dust off their goggles, search for the other mitten and get ready to start thinking about the upcoming ski season. Every year there is also always a host of lists complied about the biggest and best resorts with world famous and well-known resorts like Vail, Aspen and Whistler Blackcomb usually topping the lists. 1. Jackson Hole, Wyoming Photo: jacksonholewy.com - Average snowfall= 475 inches - Total inbounds terrain= 2,500 acres - Top elevation= 10,450 feet - Bottom elevation= 6,311 feet - Total vertical drop= 4,139 feet - Trails= 80 - Lifts= 11 - Why Jackson Is Great= The Backcountry Terrain - Local Quote= "Most would focus on the tram, bringing you up over 4,000 feet in about 9 minutes in winds up to 70 mph. Many could look at the average snowfall, which lays down an impressive 450+" of snow. Some could even point to the fact that our relative isolation keeps crowds far below what they would be at many other resorts around the world. I would say the single factor that makes Jackson Hole stand out from it’s peers is the terrain- long, steep couloirs, badass open faces, incredible tree skiing… and that’s just what’s immediately around the <a href="http://www.snowaddiction.org/search/label/resorts?&max-results=10" target="_blank">resort. Add in Teton Pass, Grand Teton National Park, and the surrounding ranges that very few people even visit and you’ve got plenty to keep yourself busy. Finally, Teton fault could always shift and our lines could quickly grow another couple inches…which is, coincidentally, what she said." – Andrew Whiteford, Jackson Hole Freeride Team member. 2. Whistler Blackcomb, Canada Photo: Black Jorgenson/Whistler Blackcomb - Average snowfall= 396 inches - Total inbounds terrain= 8,171 acres - Top elevation= 7,494 feet - Bottom elevation= 2,140 feet - Total vertical drop= 5,280 feet at Blackcomb (5,020 ft at Whistler) - Trails= 200+ - Lifts= 38 - Why Whistler is Great= The Size - Local Quote= "The sheer size and range of riding available at Whistler makes any day with any conditions hold potential to be your best day of the season. Plus, if it is raining, the two dozen bars will give you more than enough options to drink it blue." – Eliel Hindert, Professional skier & Sweet Grass movie star. 3. Squaw Valley, CA Photo: Miles Clark - Average snowfall= 450 inches - Total inbounds terrain= 3,600 acres - Top elevation= 9,050 feet - Bottom elevation= 6,200 feet - Total vertical drop= 2,850 feet - Trails= 170+ - Lifts= 30 - Why Squaw Is Great= The Terrain - Local Quote= "What makes Squaw Valley the planet’s greatest ski area is that we have the greatest snow on earth, a unmatched dump: sun ratio, unsurpassed verticality, perfectly clean, granite cliffs ten feet higher than some in Whistler, and very few iPhone-toting hippies. On top of all this, the general lack of local arrogance is utterly refreshing, which outsiders might find surprising because Squaw is pretty much the center of the universe." – Scott Gaffney, editor, director, filmer with Matchstick Productions. 4. Snowbird, Utah Photo: sandy.utah.gov - Total inbounds terrain= 2,500 acres - Top elevation= 11,000 feet - Bottom elevation= 7,760 feet - Total vertical drop= 3,240 feet - Trails= 85 - Lifts= 11 - Why Snowbird is Great= The Tram - Local Quote= "The Tram is the best lift in the world because you get all the goodness of Snowbird all from one lift. You can access almost the entire mountain and ski 3-4 times as much steep terrain in one run as you can at Squaw Valley. Plus it really doesn’t smell as bad as people say"- Daryn Edmunds, long-time Snowbird local 5. Revelstoke, Canada - Average Annual Snowfall= 169 inches at Revelstoke Airport, 480 inches at top of Mt. Mckenzie - Total inbounds terrain= 3,121 acres - Top elevation= 7,300 feet - Bottom elevation= 1,680 feet - Total vertical drop= 5,620 feet - Trails= 59 - Lifts= 5 - Why Revelstoke Is Great= The Vertical (longest vertical drop in North America at 5,620 ft) - Quote= "Man, this place is amazing. I’d love to get back up here. On a powder day, it seems like there’s nobody here and the terrain’s incredible. I gotta get back." - Arne Backstrom, 2010 Revelstoke FWT Champion & 2010 Overall FWT Champion. 6. Taos, NM Photo: the-ratti-report.com - Average snowfall= 305 inches - Total inbounds terrain= 1,294 acres - Top elevation= 12,481 feet - Bottom elevation= 9,207 feet - Total vertical drop= 3,274 feet - Trails= 113 - Lifts= 14 - Why Taos is Great= The Snow Quality + Terrain - Local Quote= "There are plenty of great ski areas in the Western US. If you happen to be at any one of them when it snows, that is about the best place you can be. But if you happen to be in Taos for that magic event, you are likely to be enjoying the heck out of things for about a week. We aren’t on the beaten path… A heck of a lot of folks think they need a passport and some shots to visit Taos. Shots yes, passport no. You can’t ski out Taos Ski Valley in a day or a week or a season. It’s complicated and we like it that way." – Dave Hahn, Taos Ski Patroller, Mountain Guide with 14 summits of Everest, 20 summits of Denali, 30 summits of Vinson Massif in Antarctica. One of the last resorts in the country to prohibit snowboarding, Taos finally opened its slopes to boarders last spring. While some traditionalists may cringe, boarders were eager to enjoy Taos’ challenging and varied terrain. Nestled in the Sangre de Cristo Mountains with 1,300 acres of great terrain, Taos offers steep chutes, launchable cliffs, great tree skiing and notorious fall line moguls. Pair that with three miles of interconnected ridges with hike-accessible Kachina Peak and you’ve got the makings of one of North America’s premier ski areas. With steep chutes reminiscent of the Alps, Taos is also home to steep glades with two of the steepest lift accessed runs in the entire country. Although the dry New Mexico climate means this area gets less snow than some of the other powder havens in the country, the challenging terrain and light powder makes Taos one of the top ski areas on the continent. 7. Big Sky & Moonlight Basin, southwestern Montana - Average snowfall= 400 inches - Total inbounds terrain= 5,532 acres - Top elevation= 11,166 feet - Bottom elevation= 6,800 feet - Total vertical drop= 4,366 feet - Trails= 150 - Lifts= 22 - Why Big Sky is Great= The Steeps - Local Quote= "Where else in America can you get 4000′ vertical, 4000 acres, 400″ of snow, 56 degree steeps, 320 days of sunshine, and less than a million people?"- Chris Rennau, Big Sky ski enthusiast. 8. Kicking Horse, Canada Photo: Eric Bergeri/Snowboardermag.com - Average snowfall= 295 inches - Total inbounds terrain= 2,800 acres - Top elevation= 8,033 feet - Bottom elevation= 3,900 feet - Total vertical drop= 4,133 feet - Trails= 120 - Lifts= 4 - Why Kicking Horse is Great= The Lack of Crowds + Big Terrain - Local Quote= This place is so new and unfrequented, that we couldn’t even get someone to quote… 9. Mount Baker, WA - Average snowfall= 641 inches - Total inbounds terrain= 1,000 acres - Top elevation= 5,089 feet - Bottom elevation= 3,500 feet - Total vertical drop= 1,589 feet - Trails= 31 - Lifts= 8 - Why Mt Baker is Great= The Snow Quanitiy (world record set in ’98/99 at 1,140 inches”) - Local Quote= "Baker is great because you have this amazing mixture of constantly deep snow, amazing terrain and a Mountain Management policy that is more about people taking responsibility for there own actions, and lets people make there own decisions about riding some of the incredibly challenging terrain. Not to mention the limitless backcountry that is easily accessible from the ski area." – Grant Gunderson A ski area uniquely positioned on the Shuksan Arm in Washington state, which connects the almost 11,000 foot Mount Baker with the 9,000 foot Mountain Shuksan, Mount Baker claims the world record of snowfall in one season, when it got 1,140 inches of snow during the 1998-1999 season. However, Baker is famous for more than its big Cascade Mountain powder dumps. With its challenging "The Chute," and Gunner’s Bowl, as well as a huge amount of backcountry terrain accessible from several chairlifts, Mount Baker is a favorite among those who like big powder and riding big mountains. Paired with stunning views of the Cascades and the impressive Mt. Shuksan peak, Mount Baker has more than 1,000 acres of lift serviced terrain that is almost always basking with a coat a fresh snow. 10. Silverton, Chris Davenport, Big-Time Professional Skier and Mountaineer. 11. Grand Targhee, Wyoming Located 42 miles from the much glitzier Jackson Hole resort in the Grand Tetons of Wyoming, Grand Targhee offers skiers and snowboarders amazing terrain and fabulous snow. Consistently winning awards and being ranked as the resort with the best snow conditions in the world, Grand Targhee gets over 500 inches (40 feet) annually and touts the logo "Snow from heaven, not hoses." Targhee’s two mountain peaks also offer 3,000 acres of skiing; including 1,500 acres reserved for snow cat skiing for those who love to get into the backcountry and uncover powder fields. The mind boggling beautiful scenery and superb snow conditions make Grand Targhee the Holy Grail of skiing and the area was recently ranked by Mountain Sports and Living Magazine as the #1 Best Resort in North America for both snow quality and elbow room. If you are looking for a place where you can cut fresh tracks in light as air powder, get away from the crowds and do some serious riding, then this Wyoming spot is the place for you. 12. Loveland, Colorado Less famous than its sister resort at Aspen, Snowmass is actually a bigger and better area aptly named for its location in a large snow field near the Maroon Bells on the western slope of the Colorado Rockies. Snowmass is a huge resort, with 3,128 acres is skiable terrain, and while the mountain is known for its wide cruiser runs and family-friendly atmosphere, Snowmass is also home to several terrain parks, extensive extreme skiing terrain, mogul runs and steep glades. The resort also has the most vertical feet of skiing in the United States, and a single run from the very top of the mountain all the way to the base will have you skiing for ages without waiting in a lift line and loving the beautiful scenery of the Aspen valley. 18. Mount Bachelor, Oregon Located on a volcanic peak on the eastern side of the Cascades range, Mount Bachelor is known for its super deep powder and wide range of terrain. While the northwest is usually known for its heavy, wet snow, Bachelor’s location on the dry, eastern side of Oregon makes it famous for dry, light snow, which it gets about 29 feet of annually. Bachelor also has a staggering 3,683 acres of skiable terrain with a vertical drop of 3,365 feet. Boasting wide-open bowls and runs through old-growth trees; Bachelor has incredibly accessible terrain at all levels with powder that rarely gets tracked out. Recently featured in Warren Miller’s "Children of Winter" movie, Bachelor proves to be one of the best areas in the country for skiing through the trees and finding deep powder. Plus, despite recent revamps to the mountain, Bachelor is still in very way a skier’s mountain with its unpretentious attitude, free parking, slashed ticket prices and banned development. 19. Alta, Utah This resort remains one of the few areas in the country to still prohibit snowboarders–a rule angry boarders protest for good reason. The resort, located in the Wasatch Mountains near Salt Lake City, Utah, boasts some of the finest and lightest snow in the country. With its lighter than air powder and varied, challenging terrain, Alta is a favorite for serious skiers looking to shred some amazing terrain. With an annual snowfall of 500 inches and the funky Catherine’s area offering steep glades and excellent tree powder skiing, skiers flock to this area which has lower ticket prices than nearby Snowbird, and shorter lift lines. 20. Arapahoe Basin, <a href="http://www.snowaddiction.org/search/?q=colorado%20target=" _blank"="">Colorado For those skiers who simply can’t wait all summer for the snow to start falling and ski season to start back up, Arapahoe Basin is probably the right mountain for you. With the highest skiable terrain in North America with a summit at 13,050 feet, A-Basin (as its known by locals) boasts one of the longest ski seasons in the continent. Known for its hardcore, yet relaxed regulars, A-Basin opens as early as mid-October each year and stays open well into June and sometimes even into July. Located just on the other side of the Continental Divide from Loveland (Number 2 on the list), A-Basin has spectacular views of the divide, Lake Dillon, Montezuma Pass and nearby Keystone and Breckenridge ski areas. A-Basin is most famous for its advanced and expert terrain, although the mountain is home to intermediate and beginner groomers as well. With the newly opened cornice runs and powder filled bowls in the Montezuma Bowl, skiers can get lost in deep, fluffy powder. For those who are interested in getting even more off-piste, a hike can give skiers and snowboarders access to a group of chutes called the North Pole offers the adventurous some truly extreme skiing opportunities with in a Avalanche blasted area. πηγη: snowaddiction

επειδη στα FAQ συγκαταλέγεται η: ‘’ποιο χκ να επισκεφτώ με μικρα παιδια?’’ δειτε αυτό Family skiing holidays are something to be cherished – spending time with your children in the fresh air of the mountains, all doing something you love and coming together at the end of the day to tell tales of daring do and obstacles overcome is priceless. Here's our choice of ten of the best family-friendly skiresorts in the world to help you choose your next family ski holiday - whether you've got young tots or older teens, there's a dream holiday out there with your family's name on. 1. Alpbach, Austria Alpbach, in the Tirol is one of the prettiest villages in Austria and has long been a favourite with British families - the resort is compact, full of charm and sunny nursery slopes sit right next to it. While the slopes for intermediates aren't extensive, they're good for building confidence and practicing technique on, and both the village's ski schools are very child-friendly. For those in the know there's also some good skiing off-piste. Welcoming pensions and chalet-style hotels dominate the accommodation - some, such as Der Berghof, are as close as 20 metres from the nursery slopes. If a full day on the slopes is proving too much for the little ones there is an indoor swimming pool and outdoor ice rinks to entertain. Getting there: Innsbruck, the closest airport, is 50km away. Munich and Salzburg are 150km away. 2. Adelboden, Bernese Oberland, <a href=" http://www.theguardian.com/travel/switzerland" target="_blank">Switzerland As a treat for style-conscious families, The Cambrian is that rare thing, a boutique hotel that doesn't turn its nose up at kids. Alongside the hip bar, a restaurant doing "new Alpine cuisine" (classics made trendy), there are two games rooms with Wiis, Playstations, snooker table and board games, plus kids' DVDs, two pools, a weekly kids' activity day, free sledges and, for any gourmands in waiting, regular kids' cooking and "mocktail" mixing classes. Adelboden has an abundance of family bakeries, cheese shops and hillsides covered with the sort of real estate that would make Heidi swoon. Extra curricular programming includes a traditional sledding race on 14 February, an "Easter bunny" jumping competition on Easter weekend, and a "jib" academy for teens on 28 March. From £1,454 for two kids and two adults for three nights half board. Or book a week through Kuoni, departing 13 February, for £6,313 for a family of four (two adults, two teenagers), including flights, transfers and B&B, or £4,873 departing 3 April. 3. Vail, Colorado Families are at home in Vail. With a pedestrian friendly village that is easy to navigate and a mountain that is easily accessible to all, Vail was made for family vacations. Quality family time is easy to find...spend a day on the slopes with the kids or simply snuggle up by the fire with hot cocoa. From Vail Ski and Snowboard School to the on-mountain activity center at Adventure Ridge, kids always have plenty of options for fun. 4. Puy St Vincent, France Puy St Vincent is a couple of purpose-built stations plus an old village. Most of the accommodation, which is mainly self-catering, is in low-rise apartment blocks at the bottom of the slopes in the larger of the two stations, 1600. Tree-lined slopes sit immediately above the resort and are good for intermediates wanting a challenge, while beginners can find their feet in two nursery slope areas. The childcare facilities in resort are excellent, with both ski schools (the ESF and the International school) running kindergartens. The choice of tour operator can make or break a family skiing holiday so choose with care. Snowbizz, who have operated solely to Puy St Vincent since 1986, is a safe bet if you want a well-thought out and convenient family holiday. All the details have been taken care of, from Sunday flights (less hectic than Saturdays) to a full suite of childcare options from six months to 11 years. Getting there: Turin is the nearest airport, approximately two and half hours away. 5. Vemdalen, Sweden This small, quiet ski area makes up for its diminutive size with that super-friendly, personal service typical of Scandinavian ski resorts. It has a large dedicated kids' area, a creche for three- to eight-year-olds in a wooden cabin, a jolly ski school taught by perfect-English speakers and lots of extra activities, including kiddie-friendly evening entertainment such as discos and film screenings several times a week. For adults, the ski school motto is "it's never too late to learn", plus there's floodlit skiing and two fun parks for the more experienced. Seven nights self-catering in the Ski Lodge Apartments costs £599pp departing 14 February, including return flights from Heathrow and transfers with Neilson (0844 879 8155). 6. Ylläs, Finland If you're looking for an alternative to the tried and tested Alpine holiday, head to Ylläs in Finland. The gentle Arctic landscape is ideal for beginners, and the alternative activities, such as husky-sledding, reindeer sleigh rides and snowshoeing, will enchant young children. The best time to visit is from March to the end of the season - any earlier and either the sun doesn't rise during normal daylight hours or it's February and the resort suffers the same fate as European resorts during the school holidays. Accommodation is not slopeside, but the resort is so quiet and peaceful this isn't an issue. Getting there: Kittilä airport is 50km away. 7. Park City, Utah Park City is Utah's best destination for families looking for the full ski town experience. The town boasts three individual resorts as well as a variety of shops, restaurants and off-slope activities. Park City Mountain Resorts provides a number of family-friendly tools including its Kids Signature Programs and Snowmamas, a family vacation-planning service. The Kids Signature 5 program guarantees classes of just five or less so that your child is given the individual attention and learning environment she needs to excel at the sport. Families with young children will enjoy a break because children six and under ski free. In addition to skiing, Park City Mountain Resort offers an ice skating rink at the base. Don't forget to take advantage of free day-of-flight skiing (Quick START) at PCMR, available through the Park City Chamber of Commerce. 8. Beaver Creek, Colorado Beaver Creek is like Vail – though more upscale. While not as big as Vail, this resort is posh, well-pitched and has the personal touch I like on a family ski holiday. Maybe it’s the free, fresh homemade cookies in the village for après ski, or the centerpiece ice skating rink, or it could be the World Cup Downhill Course – Birds of Prey… Beaver Creek has something for everyone. Stay at the Ritz Carlton Bachelor Gulch for the best Colorado ski vacation. 9. Laax, Switzerland Young families will love the extensive beginner slopes at Crap Sogn Gion, high above Laax, and the excellent ski school with fluent English-speaking instructors. For families with older kids, they'll no doubt be wowed by the five impressive terrain parks, and if you time your visit right, you could catch one of the big international freestyle competitions the resort hosts - bound to help the brownie points with the teenagers. For maximum convenience, stay in an apartment at the RocksResort, striking modern blocks that opened a year ago and are right at the foot of the slopes. Getting there: Zurich is the closest airport. A seamless train and bus transfer from Zurich takes about two hours. 10. Selva, Dolomites, Italy Italians are renowned for their enthusiastic welcome for kids, but because Italian families tend to take along a granny to do the honours, some resorts aren't so hot on childcare. In Selva, though, even those as young as four months are cared for through the Casa Bimbo childcare service. There are several playgrounds, ice skating, snow-shoeing, indoor climbing and a choice of ski schools in the three linked villages of the Val Gardena area. Casa Bimbo(01252 618300) has catered availability at Chalet Wiesenheim departing 28 March, £819 per adult per week, £245 per child, including flights from Gatwick (or Manchester for a supplement). A 7 February departure is £1,599 for a family of four. 11. Steamboat, Colorado Steamboat has one of the premier teen programs in the States. "Rough Rider" clinics are offered daily for kids ages 6 to 15. Children ages 4 to 12 have five kids-only lifts and special ski terrain around frontier-style forts. On Special Occasions, a Kids Adventure Club features supervision, movies, games and snacks. Or drag the entire family over to Steamboat Springs for a look at an authentic Wild West town. 12. Obergurgl, Austria For families with teenage kids, Obergurgl, the highest parish in Austria, is a good option. It's a small, focused village with friendly Austrian charm and snowsure slopes, but not so many that the kids would get lost on their own. Excellent English is spoken by the ski school instructors and class sizes are kept small - a promising start for pushing teenagers to their limits and ensuring boredom stays at bay. Most of the accommodation is in three- or four-star hotels - if you're travelling with younger children particularly, book with Esprit in one of their large chalets and take advantage of their extensive childcare options. Getting there: Innsbruck is the closest airport, 95km away. 13. Big White, British Columbia, Canada OK, it's not a small resort, but the family facilities in Big White would be enough to make expert skiers jealous (except they have the average 7m of annual snowfall and amazing terrain to keep them happy). The Kids' Centre is a big playground with lots of open runs, free helmets for nippers and a kitchen doing food they won't spit out. Snow tubing, ice skating, night skiing and mini-snowmobiles are all available. 14. Aussois, Maurienne Valley, France "France at eastern European prices" is how the operator Peak Retreats refers to Aussois – lift passes here are £107 per week, compared with £219 for the Three Valleys, just a few miles away. The areas aren't linked, but take reassurance that this resort is next to some serious mountains, and its Dent Parrachée tops out at 3,697m. You can ski over to La Norma and Valfréjus, too. Aussois is a pretty village of stone and slate houses, with a Tuesday food market (yummy bilberry tarts) and a cheap public creche (from €15 for a half day) – it also has the "famille plus" award. If your kids don't take to snow ploughing, try snow-shoe wildlife safaris, walking with donkeys, dog-sledding or tubing (sledging on inflatables). 15. Northstar California at Lake Tahoe Northstar is the place to ski in California growing kids who love terrain parks. Northstar has dialed into young skiing families. The resort village is proof, so is the all natural Burton terrain park called The Stash. A Northstar Ritz Carlton now graces the mountainside with a ski valet and spa. This Lake Tahoe ski resort is a good choice for a winter family ski trip, and you can day trip to Lake Tahoe, Squaw Valley and Heavenly. 16. Snowmass at Aspen Colorado Snowmass is the largest of the four Aspen ski mountains, skiing the Big Burn at Snowmass will make everyone in the family feel like the big cheese – or a ski movie star. With lodging at the recently revitalized Snowmass Village, and the state of the art Tree House child care center – Snowmass is ideal for families. Recent glade expansion on Snowmass' Burnt Mountain make Snowmass the second largest ski resort in Colorado at 3,362-acres. Aspen's Buttermilk is teen heaven in January when they host the trendy Winter X-Games. Siblings Aspen Highlands and Ajax in downtown Aspen are also worth a day of skiing during your family ski week in Aspen. Down at Snowmass Base Village, the Treehouse Kids' Adventure Center features themed rooms -- such as one devoted to puppet shows -- entertain all children. Other activities include a guided snowmobile tour, ice-skating and a family Snowcat ride to a cabin, where there are Western barbecue dinners. 17. Big Sky, Montana Big Sky is not so easy to get too - just one of the reasons we like it so much. This Montana ski resort is vast, very friendly and offers the most spectacular vistas in ski country. Now that Big Sky interconnects with Moonlight Basin, you have the biggest skiing in America. Staying slopeside at Big Sky’s Summit Hotel, you can walk to the lifts, to kids ski camp and to the new plaza with skier services, shops and restaurants. Take a day off to visit Yellowstone National Park -Old Faithful still goes off in winter, and the geysers and animals tracks are easy to spot in the snow. 18. Nassfeld, Carinthia, Austria Kinderhotels, a brilliant chain of family specific hotels throughout Austria, has Easter availability at the Hubertushof hotel, suitable for kids up to 18, with tennis courts, winter playground, swimming pool, cinema and discos plus a wellness centre for parents. Nassfeld is great for beginners with lots of easy tree runs and a snow park for learning tricks. There are loads of activities, including natural ice-skating and cross-country skiing on lake Brennsee. 19. Cervinia, Italy 20. Avoriaz, France Avoriaz may not be the prettiest of resorts, but it's certainly one of the most functional and striking. A car-free collection of towering self-catering apartments perched on a cliff, accommodation is ski-in, ski-out and horse-drawn sleighs are the only vehicles on the snow-covered roads. The Village des Enfants is in the heart of the resort, with Disney characters and special slopes to entertain and educate children aged three and older. There's a British-run ski school, Avoriaz Alpine Ski School, for older kids needing a challenge or some friendly encouragement. Accommodation is pretty much all in apartments - there are a few small chalets if you're seeking a comfortable alternative. Getting there: Geneva is the closest airport, about two hours or 90km away. - See more at: http://www.ultimate-...h.hA5DDswj.dpuf 21. Saas Fee, Switzerland The car-free village of Saas-Fee in Valais is a perfect choice for young children and families - it's a rural haven perfect for just strolling around and relaxing in. Saas Fee is also a great destination for those with older kids - it has two terrain parks, one, a truly world-class set up, with a huge halfpipe and interesting features like a gondola roof job; the other, aimed at beginners with entry level jumps, rails and lines, near the nursery slopes. Choose your accommodation carefully - the majority of the lifts leave from the southern end of the village, and the large nursery slopes are also at this end. Getting there: Sion airport, served by SnowJet, and Geneva are 75km and 225km away respectively. The nearest train station is Brig, and regular buses run to and from the station to Saas-Fee. - See more at: http://www.ultimate-...h.hA5DDswj.dpuf 22. Mammoth, California 23. Jackson Hole, Wyoming Jackson Hole is reputed for its steep and deep terrain, but this Wyoming ski resort is also a great choice for families looking to get away, see wild game in the National Parks and stay slopeside in Teton Village. The five-star Four Seasons Jackson Hole hotel is the perfect place to stay with its own kids camp, ski concierge and s'more roasting by the fire for après ski, plus a spa and sophisticated surroundings for parents. While you are in Wyoming, go to nearby Grand Targhee, very family friendly with big snow, ego pleasing terrain and ample snow at 500" annually. 24. La Plagne, France A vast expanse of intermediate cruising runs spread out above the 10 villages that together make La Plagne, and the different characters of the bases make it an ideal destination for all types of families and children, from young tots to energetic teens. Most Brits stay in Belle Plagne (good for youngsters with a children's playground for tots to learn in), Plagne 1800 (lots of chalets so best for groups of families) or Montchavin (the village is pretty and traffic-free, and there are confidence-building wooded blue runs leading to it). Each village has good ski schools and its own nursery run or two, then there are endless intermediate slopes (225km of them) plus five terrain parks or boardercross courses to keep the more adventurous children and big kids entertained. Getting there: Chambery is the closest airport, 120km away. Or take the train to either Aime or Bourg St Maurice at the bottom of the valley. 25. Lungau, Salzburgerland, Austria Learning to ski in a blizzard is no fun, so try traditional St Martin in Lungau, a region renowned for receiving record amounts of annual sunshine. At 3,000m, the local mountains and better-known Obertauern (ski-able via Grosseck) should have plenty of the frosty stuff, too. Chalet Zirbe is part of the St Martin Chalets, one of Europe's first energy self-sufficient eco-villages (boasting a veg-oil system), which has a natural outdoor pool and barbecue, tobogganing and snowshoeing. Πηγη: familyskitrips

Mεταμόσχευση μηνίσκου – Οριστική λύση στο πρόβλημα της ρήξης Σε μεταμόσχευση μηνίσκου μπορούν να υποβάλλονται πλέον εκατοντάδες χιλιάδες αθλητές και εκατομμύρια άνθρωποι στον κόσμο, που έχουν υποστεί ρήξη, ολική η μερική μηνισκεκτομή! Αυτό τονίστηκε από κορυφαίους Έλληνες και ξένους ορθοπεδικούς, οι οποίοι συμμετείχαν στο 69ο Συνέδριο Ορθοπαιδικης Χειρουργικής και Τραυματολογίας, το οποίο πραγματοποιήθηκε 2 με 5 Οκτωβρίου στην Αθήνα. «Με τη μεταμόσχευση, η επιστήμη, τα τελευταία χρόνια, δίνει οριστική λύση στο πρόβλημα του μηνίσκου, το οποίο τις περασμένες δεκαετίες έγινε η αιτία να σταματήσει απότομα η καριέρα σπουδαίων αθλητών όλων των αθλημάτων» αναφέρει ο Δρ Σταύρος, Αλευρογιάννης Διευθυντής Κλινικής Αθλητικών Κακώσεων στο ΙΑΣΩ GENERAL. Σύμφωνα με όσα ανέφεραν στο συνέδριο, διάσημοι ορθοπεδικοί, η εξοικείωση με τα αρθροσκοπικά εργαλεία και η βελτίωση συστημάτων και τεχνικών συρραφής των μηνίσκων, αποτέλεσε την τελευταία δεκαπενταετία «επανάσταση» στην αρθροσκοπική χειρουργική και προσέφερε στους ασθενείς μια επιπλέον λύση στο πρόβλημά τους. Η νέα τεχνολογία όμως ,δεν είναι εφαρμόσιμη σε όλες τις περιπτώσεις, αλλά μόνο όταν η ρήξη του μηνίσκου είναι στην περιοχή αιμάτωσής του και όταν η «ποιότητα» του μηνισκικού ,προς συρραφή, υλικού είναι η κατάλληλη. Στις υπόλοιπες περιπτώσεις, όπου η ρήξη του μηνίσκου είναι μεγάλη ή σύμπλοκη και ο ασθενής είναι μέσης ή μεγάλης ηλικίας, οι τεχνικές αυτές δεν έχουν εφαρμογή και η μηνισκεκτομή αφήνει μεγάλα ελλείμματα του μηνίσκου, με απώτερο αποτέλεσμα την προοδευτική εμφάνιση αρθρίτιδας στο γόνατο. Η αφαίρεση του μηνίσκου του γόνατος αρθροσκοπικά, αν και αποτελεί την πλέον συνήθη χειρουργική επέμβαση στις Αθλητικές Κακώσεις, συχνά πυκνά συνοδεύεται από μετεγχειρητικές επιπλοκές, με κυριότερη τον πόνο. Ο πόνος οφείλεται στην ανάπτυξη αρθρίτιδας που προκαλείται από αστάθεια καθώς έχει αφαιρεθεί ουσιαστικά το «αμορτισέρ» του γόνατος και έχει αλλάξει ο άξονας φόρτισης. Μάλιστα, σύμφωνα με τους σύγχρονους ορθοπεδικούς, όσο πιο μεγάλο τμήμα του μηνίσκου αφαιρείται κατά την επέμβαση της αρθροσκόπησης, τόσο πιο γρήγορα εμφανίζονται τα ενοχλήματα στον ασθενή. Από τη διεθνή βιβλιογραφία φαίνεται πως πάνω από 60% των ρήξεων μηνίσκου αντιμετωπίζονται με μερική ή υφολική μηνισκεκτομή, ενώ πάνω από 700.000 ασθενείς κάθε χρόνο, υποβάλλονται σε μηνισκεκτομή στις ΗΠΑ. Στην Ελλάδα ο αντίστοιχος αριθμός τέτοιων επεμβάσεων το χρόνο ξεπερνά τις 6.000-7.000. Παρά το γεγονός ότι η επέμβαση της μηνισκεκτομής είναι σχετικά απλή και δεν απαιτεί μεγάλη εμπειρία από το χειρουργό, φαίνεται πως ποσοστό μεγαλύτερο του 65% των ασθενών αυτών, παρουσιάζουν πρώιμες αρθριτικές αλλοιώσεις που τελικά καταλήγουν στην εφαρμογή τεχνητής άρθρωσης στο γόνατο! Η δυσμενής αυτή εξέλιξη, »γέννησε» τη «μεταμόσχευση μηνίσκου». Οι πρώτες επεμβάσεις τέτοιου είδους εφαρμόστηκαν σε αθλητές που είχαν υποστεί στο παρελθόν ολική μηνισκεκτομή και περιελάμβαναν την αντικατάσταση του απολεσθέντος ιστού με ανθρώπινο αλλομόσχευμα από Τράπεζα Ιστών και Μοσχευμάτων. Τα πολύ καλά πρώιμα κλινικά και απεικονιστικά αποτελέσματα οδήγησαν τους ερευνητές στην εξεύρεση αντίστοιχης λύσης και στις περιπτώσεις που αφαιρούμε τμήμα μόνο του μηνίσκου ( πάνω από το 25% της συνολικής επιφανείας του). «Σήμερα, προθέτει ο Δρ Αλευρογιάννης, νέα «βιολογικά ικριώματα μηνίσκου» βρίσκονται πλέον στην αγορά και στα χέρια του σύγχρονου Έλληνα Ορθοπεδικού Χειρουργού, με πολύ καλά αποτελέσματα. Τα υλικά αυτά είναι πορώδη, προοδευτικά απορροφήσιμα, με σχήμα που μιμείται αυτό του φυσιολογικού μηνίσκου. Παρουσιάζουν ικανή μηχανική αντοχή στα πρώιμα στάδια εμφύτευσης, τοποθετούνται αρθροσκοπικά, διαμορφώνονται σε μέγεθος ίσο με αυτό που αφαιρέθηκε και βοηθούν την αναγέννηση του μηνίσκου με ιδιότητες ίδιες με το φυσιολογικό». Η μέθοδος απευθύνεται σε μεγάλη πληθυσμιακή ομάδα ασθενών από 15 μέχρι 65 χρόνων, με εκσεσημασμένη μηνισκική βλάβη, ή παλαιότερη μηνισκεκτομή με συνεχή μετεγχειρητικό πόνο, χωρίς συνδεσμική αστάθεια ή προχωρημένο στάδιο αρθρίτιδας και σε ασθενείς που μπορούν να ακολουθήσουν το μετεγχειρητικό πρωτόκολλο αποκατάστασης. Η νοσηλεία είναι μιας ημέρας και το κόστος του υλικού καλύπτεται από τα ασφαλιστικά ταμεία.

νομιζω οτι δεν ανηκουν στην ιδια φαση του εργου η αντικατασταση του υφισταμενου αναβατηρα θα γινει σε 1η φαση και η αναπτυξη προς Αυγο μεταγενεστερα

Αφήνουν αβοήθητο τραυματισμένο ορειβάτη λόγω χρημάτων Πρώτη καταχώρηση: Κυριακή, 13 Οκτωβρίου 2013, 17:25 Ρεπορτάζ: Παναγιώτης Βλαχουτσάκος Στη μοίρα του έχει αφεθεί τις τελευταίες δύο ώρες νεαρός ορειβάτης, ο οποίος στην προσπάθειά του να σκαρφαλώσει την κορυφή του Ολύμπου τραυματίστηκε σοβαρά. Οι αρμόδιοι κρατικοί φορείς, ενώ έχουν ενημερωθεί για την κατάσταση στην οποία βρίσκεται, αρνούνται μέχρι στιγμής να στείλουν ελικόπτερο για τη μεταφορά του, καθώς… διαφωνούν για το ποια υπηρεσία θα αναλάβει τα έξοδα της πτήσης! Όλα ξεκίνησαν στις 15.20, όταν η Ελληνική Ομάδα Διάσωσης ενημερώθηκε ότι ένας ορειβάτης βρίσκεται στο Λούκι του Μύτικα (κάτω από την κορυφή του Ολύμπου) και είναι σοβαρά τραυματισμένος. Τα μέλη της ομάδας έσπευσαν στο σημείο και στις 15.55 είχαν πλήρη εικόνα του συμβάντος. Αμέσως ενημέρωσαν την Πυροσβεστική Υπηρεσία Λιτοχώρου και τη Γενική Γραμματεία Πολιτικής Προστασίας, και ανέμεναν την άφιξη ελικοπτέρου προκειμένου ο τραυματίας να μεταφερθεί στο νοσοκομείο. Μέχρι και αυτήν την ώρα όμως το ελικόπτερο… αγνοείται. «Ζητήσαμε ελικόπτερο από τις 16.00 και ακόμα περιμένουμε. Υπάρχει, λένε, διαφωνία για το ποιος θα χρεωθεί τα έξοδα. Ο άνθρωπος είναι τραυματισμένος σοβαρά. Έχει σπάσει το αριστερό χέρι και πόδι, κάποια δόντια, και ενδέχεται να έχει πάθει κάκωση στον αυχένα» εξηγεί ένα από τα μέλη της ομάδας μιλώντας στο zougla.gr. Η ηλεκτρονική εφημερίδα επικοινώνησε με στελέχη της Γενικής Γραμματείας Πολιτικής Προστασίας, τα οποία απάντησαν ότι το ελικόπτερο είναι έτοιμο και περιμένουν ένα έγγραφο από την αστυνομία προκείμενου να πραγματοποιηθεί η μεταφορά. Τελευταία ενημέρωση: Κυριακή, 13 Οκτωβρίου 2013, 18:09

ωραια Αρη

το συγκεκριμενο Flocafe δεν δουλευει πια και στο νεο δεν υπαρχει αιθουσα, οποτε το δωρεαν προβολες το ξεχναμε

μπύρα η αναψυκτικό δεν νομιζω. αυτό που συνηθίζεται σε πολλα ξενοδοχεια της Αυστριας είναι να σου κρατανε το υπόλοιπο του κρασιού (εάν δεν τελειώσεις το μπουκαλι) στο ονομα σου και το συνεχίζεις το επομενο βραδύ στο δειπνο οι ξενοι δεν ειναι τοσο large για να μην ενδιαφερθουν για το υπολοιπο ενός κρασιου

περσι ειχαμε διοργανώσει σαν συλλογος μια μερα προβολής ταινιων βουνου και προς μεγαλη μου έκπληξη οι συμμέτοχες από τα μελη μας ηταν πολύ λιγες. περισσότεροι ηταν φιλοι μου από το βουνο, ορειβατες και αναρριχητές ειχε πολύ ενδιαφέρον διοτι υπήρξε συζήτηση γυρω από τις ταινιες και μπορουσες να μαθεις πολλα πραγματα. http://www.snowclub.gr/forums/index.php?showtopic=15651 τελικα ότι είναι είναι δωρεαν δεν εχει πέραση, ενω ότι πληρώνουμε θα το τιμήσουμε.

Χρηστο καπου θυμομουν οτι το ειχα ποσταρει τοτε αλλα δεν μπηκα στον κοπο να το ψαξω ευχαριστω αγαπητε!